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Grumpy
12-30-2004, 12:14 AM
I am selecting the FH Unix Performance Starter Plan. For that plan, I have the following questions. :rolleyes:

Can I park domains without them counting against the domain quota? (Say a dozen, if there is a quota on the number.) It saves money if I do not have to pay my new registrar to park them and it would be much more convenient to have them all under my control through FH.

If I can park them with FH, provided I have set up my account with FH before moving the domains, can I give the registrar the FH DNS servers (apologies if I got the terms wrong just now) when I transfer them to the new registrar?

If I can park them with FH, can the parked domains point to a “business” card type template under my control? Would there be any advertisement on the parking page beyond saying that FH is “hosting them”? (A link back to FH would be fair and appropriate.)

Any number of domains can be redirected to another domain name that is hosted with you without counting against the quota, correct?

I can create sub-domains as needed; they will not count against any quotas, correct?

Suppose I have a site gw.net hosted by you and I have a domain sl.net that is not hosted. Can I define/create a subdomain, for example named sl.gw.net, and redirect sl.net to that sub-domain? If the answer is yes, I can easily “park” domains or use them in a way that is similar to hosting the domain.

Can each domain (site) have a custom error page? (I would be surprised if they cannot.)

I did not understand two questions from someone's list of things to ask a hosting company. What do the following questions mean? You can answer them if appropriate but unless I understand the questions I will not understand the answers.

How many domain pointers do you allow?

Can I have cron jobs?

"That's all folks", for now anyway. :cheers:

Richard
12-30-2004, 12:28 AM
1/ I believe you can have as many domain aliases (parked domains/redirected domains) and subdomains as you like (judging by the plan comparison page).
2/ Custom error pages should be possible on a per domain/directory basis via .htaccess files

Grumpy
12-30-2004, 01:14 AM
Thank you, Richard, for being the "first responder".

I do not see any reference in the plan matrix reference to domain parking. I am looking on this page: http://www.fluidhosting.com/comparison.php with the Unix plan window clicked.

I see URL redirection. That refers to redirection to another site that one has hosted at FH, correct?

Just knowing a domain can be parked is insufficient. A parking page is suitable only if it contains at least a business card amount of information that the user can define (without it counting as hosting). It is important to know that it does not contain FH or third party placed advertising.

Concerning .htaccess being related to managing custom error pages (pages unique to a particular domain). I need more help on this one. I know .htaccess as something related to user + password controlled access to a non-public directory (and its subs) of a domain/site. It will be enough to know for now that FH offers custom error pages with the Unix hosting plan. I can learn how to do it later.

I am adding this question:

User + password controlled access via the browser to information in protected sub-directories is available, correct?

FH-John
12-30-2004, 01:53 AM
You can have unlimited domain aliases. Which are just additional domains attached to one web site. One option would be to creat a subdomain off one domain to park your other domains on then. Then add them as aliases to the subdomain.

inTELLiGrunt
12-30-2004, 04:24 AM
You should really use a registrar that allows you full control over your domain names, that way you can repoint the dns servers yourself.

FH-John
12-30-2004, 04:50 AM
Yes, you can setup custom error pages, and .htaccess authentication on subdomains.

Grumpy
12-30-2004, 09:49 AM
You can have unlimited domain aliases. Which are just additional domains attached to one web site. One option would be to create a subdomain off one domain to park your other domains on then. Then add them as aliases to the subdomain. Thanks, John, I understand. Your answers are shorter then my questions. ;) You should really use a registrar that allows you full control over your domain names, that way you can repoint the dns servers yourself. I had an experience related to this advice: With my first hosting company, FP, may the departed hosting companies rest in peace, I had a very important domain that I let them register for me. Before the end of FP I realized that whois did not know that it was my domain and that this meant that I did not have control of it. The FP help desk. told me that I could change the contact information by… Whew! A few weeks later I was reading on a forum “Help, FP has hijacked my domain name.” Informed by that near domain-death experience, I will never register a domain through a third party. I do not put register locks on domain names. Especially with the new ICANN rules that leaves me in control. I choose carefully the ICANN accredited registrar that I am switching to now.

:hammer: Did the two questions that I did not understand, from another's "list of things to ask", make any sense to anybody, what do these questions mean?
How many domain pointers do you allow?
Can I have cron jobs?
:hammer: I forgot to ask this one:
Hosted domains each have a cgi-bin directory, correct?

Although John and Alex can are big :banana: s as they speak for FH—I do not know Richard’s status--I appreciate all responders and thank everybody that commented (above or below). I thank anybody thinking of something relevant to hosting decisions, perhaps something that I did not know to ask, for writing it here or giving me a pointer to another thread.

My partner gave the okay to signup. I will be back later today to check the thread and hopefully this is a wrap. :thumbup:

inTELLiGrunt
12-30-2004, 12:07 PM
I will never register a domain through a third party. I do not put register locks on domain names. Especially with the new ICANN rules that leaves me in control. I choose carefully the ICANN accredited registrar that I am switching to now.

Control, as far as I'm concerned is being able to make any change yourself without having to rely on anyone, i.e., full access to the full range of options via a control panel from a specialist registrar; whether that be to initiate a transfer in/out automatically, configure some domain parameter such as a change of name server (allowing you to easily move hosting), or to lock or apply whois protection etc to a domain.

Please correct me if I'm wrong (because I don't know who FP are), was it the case that you had this ability, but that FP still hijacked your domain(s)? Also, I fail to see how not locking your domain would prevent this, given that a registrar has the ability to override anything you do anyway.

IMHO is just as important to have an honest registrar as it is an honest host, one you can hold accountable to ICANN is always a good choice, and if they are also registered by a body responsible for cTLD's (such as NOMINET for uk) who apply a vigorous vetting process then all the better.

Unless you want your domains highjacked by any Tom, Dick or Harry then I'd recommend locking them. I also recommend keeping copies of whois, and records of registration and payment.

Hosted domains each have a cgi-bin directory, correct?

Correct.

My partner gave the okay to signup. I will be back later today to check the thread and hopefully this is a wrap.

Welcome on-board. Apologies for not welcoming you earlier.

Grumpy
12-30-2004, 05:45 PM
Hi, Intelligrunt,

Thank you for the greeting. I infer you have an official capacity with FH. Perhaps Richard does as well. I do not know why members (those hosted by FH) would hang in this forum, but they do in another open forum by a hosting company.

Our views are similar.

F____________P_____________ is a hosting company that went down less than gracefully. The sounds similar a toy company. It still gets mentioned over on the WHT. I got my domain while I still had control. Others, at least for a time, did have access to their domain names/pointers.

No, there is no relationship between FP holding domain names and locking or unlocking domains with a registrar. Here is why I am concerned about locked domains. If the domains are unlocked, I can at any time move them to a new registrar. The old registrar has no control over that. I have no control over the old registrar once I register the domains but I have control over who I choose as a new one. There is nothing the old registrar can do to prevent me from controlling the domains. If they are locked with a registrar and one day I discover that the control panel is not working and that I can not change them to unlocked. Perhaps I learn that the registrar cannot be reached, the site is down and perhaps the registrar is going out of business, what do I do? If the domains are not locked I have no concerns. If they were, I have an avoidable situation (avoidable by not locking them in the first place).

I see your point on the downside of not locking domains though. First I will get the domains over to the new registrar. Then I can access the situation. In any case, it seems I have the most control to point the domains to your servers and let one of my domains host (park) them as a series of sub-domains on your site.

I intend to sign up with you today, but it has taken time to get over to it. I expect to create sub-domains in your control pane soon after. Then I will point the domains to you, unless I hear an objection. Initially I will do that through the registrars that have them now with their control panels. When they transfer, I will keep those assignments the same.

I agree with you about the importance of choosing a registrar carefully, one you trust. I researched the database at WHT, a.k.a. the domain forum, and found one that I feel is okay and has fair prices. I sent him an email and he replied promptly.

I think you always have control over the domains at a registrar as to their DNS assignment and things like that. This particularly registrar charges another dollar a year to offer domain parking service. Maybe for a dollar a domain a year it would be unwise not to pay it.

inTELLiGrunt
12-30-2004, 06:09 PM
No, I have no official capacity with FH. Spooky ain't it ;) I'm just being helpful, as I'm sure is Richard. Certain of us hang around, and respond where applicable. There are people in here that have oodles of experience, plus both good and bad experiences :D (although obvious) as a guide, if it says "Fluid Hosting Staff" or the name begins with FH- then they are official, otherwise they are not.

Anyway. If you can post in pre-sales (that's got a nice ring to it), then it stands to reason that others can too. If you think about it, in a way, it allows others to comment. Let's imagine that this was a bad host, and we couldn't respond to your posts or PM you to alert you, would that be right?

All I'll say on the subject of you choosing not to lock your domain is that FP could hijack it again unless you lock it, it would then be a case of groundhog day, and once again the yogurt would hit the fan.

I will PM you.

Edit: All typo's copyright and soley due to beer/keyboard interface corruption